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Grantham Journal letter: To stay or leave the failing EU?


The writer of the letter about Europe (Journal, September 11) appears to be pro-European Union and anti-American.

It is NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) that has kept the peace in Europe since NATO was formed after the Second World War. The major contributor to NATO is the USA which has not caused any wars within Europe. USA has fought wars elsewhere as a member of The United Nation. The USA fought in Europe in two world wars and without the USA Europe would be governed by Germany, or possibly Germany would have been overrun by USSR and most of Europe would have then been governed by USSR.

USA is still a major contributor whilst France is not a member of NATO.

I support leaving Europe as it is an idealistic organisation that wants Europe to be a single entity and the effectiveness of democratic procedures reduces as more and more people/countries are a part of the process. EU has failed with Greece and the Euro. The failure was a common currency with no central control; each country in the Eurozone runs its own economy independently from each other whereas they should have been common policies.

For example, in the UK county councils control their own budgets under the fiscal control of the UK government. The Eurozone countries need a similar organisation i.e. an economic union; EU has failed on this. Greece’s economy is now being controlled/supervised by EU; Greece appears to be the only EU country whose fiscal control is outside its own control. Which EU country will be the next to lose its fiscal independence? All EU countries are expected to use the Euro with a few countries having an exemption.

All decisions within the EU are not taken by the EU Parliament, some of the important decisions are effectively taken by the heads of state of the 28 EU countries on a qualified majority vote, and other decisions are taken by unanimous decisions. EU fiscal policy can end up in the hands of the Euro zone countries of which UK is not a part and will have no say in the decisions. Basically if you are not a part of the Euro group you will not be listened to.

Roughly half of the UK overseas trade is with the EU. The UK runs a deficit with the EU and is now starting to build up a surplus with non EU countries. It’d be more profitable to trade with non-EU countries than to trade with EU countries. If jobs are lost in Britain a similar number of jobs will be lost in the EU. If the UK leaves Europe trade will continue between UK and EU countries; under World Trade Organisation rules EU cannot take economic sanctions against UK; if it does the UK will be allowed to take counter action.

Freedom of movement between EU countries can continue except that EU citizens will not be able to claim any benefits from UK. EU citizens could settle in UK providing they are fully financially self supporting. I personally think that UK citizens should carry identity card to enable them to claim UK benefits; driving licences and bus passes etc. are carried by some citizens so why object to an ID card? People who, or want to, use the hospitals would only have “free treatment” on the production of an ID card or health insurance. Other user will be expected to pay on the spot for the treatment.

Human Rights will be decided by the UK Parliament and not by EU. UK helped to draw up the initial EU Human Rights. Hopefully, under UK Human Rights, a victim’s human rights will not be less than a wrong doer’s rights. The wrong doer who has ignored the victim’s rights therefore he/she should not have more rights than the victim.

To trade with EU, why should we have to be subservient to EU fiscal policies, EU domestic law, EU freedom of movement that allows people to claim benefits that might not have in their own countries? Trade with non EU countries does not require countries to adopt each other’s laws and fiscal policies.

The European Ideal is an ideal that requires full fiscal union to achieve its full aims. EU has failed with the Euro (Greece) and is now failing with the freedom of movement.

Long live the inward looking EU, provided UK is not a part of it!

D Turgoose

Hawksdale Close, Grantham


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